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Yaoi vs Bara by Nacht-Vico Yaoi vs Bara by Nacht-Vico
MOAR ANTI YAOI STUFF! YAY! :iconhurrdurrplz:

So, what is Yaoi (and, I should have add it, Yuri too)?
It's a kind of stylized porn manga written by women (most of the time) for women. (... most of the time? I guess some male must like it too). Yaoi/Yuri has a really stereotypical vision of homosexuality, which can be a little bit insultant, sometimes. And of course, in a Yaoi story, you have those awful characters, who are supposed to be males, but who looks like ugly girls. Most of the time, their personnalities are awful as well, and their relationship... Well, you have this Uke/Seme bullshit.
Those are my reasons for strongly disliking Yaoi.
Stereotypes + Boring characters = Something I can't like

And what is Bara?
The same thing than Yaoi. BUT WITH MANLY DUDES!

( yes, this is stupid as hell, since Bara is just as stereotypical than Yaoi, this is just badly written and badly drawn porn, but at least... The characters looks like male, and not really ugly chicks :B )
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Nhaundar Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
X3 Something like this ... its also is in much more other stuff. ^.^ Bad story, boring characters and stereotypes... it's all over the world. :D
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Lapin-The-Scientist Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
// I like both ^^
But I have to agree that most of the yaois thta I saw the guys look way too much like women >.< //
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tabbi1994 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Now i know what the thing is called that i like...Bara...thank you...now i can stop splitting my head over this.Applause 
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Kingdomkey202 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
The girly men, Seme/Uke BS, and the fangirls' extremely bad habit of destroying a characters personality just to fit the said S/U is the reason I'm a bit wary of gay pairings.
I'd like to find authors who keeps a character's personality in one piece.
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aiftw Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Spot on!
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KnuckalsPanch Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
YESYESYEYSYEYSYES THIS
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Naniga123 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2014
What truly matter is that bara has manly men doing it in font of us.
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tea78iscool Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2014
I like yaoi and bara also.to me..its still art the same with yuri i like yuri too.But i really dont like the arrogant yaoi fangirls making yaoi look bad.
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movielover100 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
YUSSSSSSSS BARA IS HOTTER  then Yaoi . Yaoi is really Boring with those Uke that look ugly with their big eyes and skinny But i mean super skinny bodys. I Dont see bara Mangas  but i have seen arts and fan made mangas, of,bara fans. I mean their are attracting bara guys :) 


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aiftw Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I think manga made by Jiraiya is quite legitimate.
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AbilasWorld121 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
As soon as I found out about bara, I full-on abandoned yaoi. xD 
I thought that nobody drew that stuff like I did. Now I know what to call my not-on-Deviantart-for-reasons stuff! 
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HaRuKaKi Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Bara = Yaoi.
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Laraaqua0 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2013
That's exactly what I did after watching so many Yaoi like that. :D
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Bluekevlar16 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2013
HELL YES. Don't forget that the majority of Yaoi is about barely legal boys falling in love with their rapists.

Most Bara is hot unless it's TOO unrealistic. Facial and chest, huge muscles, manly handsome men, FUCK YEAH! It really annoys me that there's actual animes of shitty yaoi being made out the wazoo whereas Bara never gets its own anime. Why is it that good stuff with guys who're actually sexy and is actually romantic like Legend of the Blue Wolves never gets off the ground whereas steaming piles of rape-romanticism like Okane ga Nai get their own series? >:(
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PerfectIsImpossible Featured By Owner May 12, 2015
"Facial and chest, huge muscles..." Are we talking hair or 'shots'? Because you do get both, sometimes. xD
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2013
I think that's one of the things who just disgusts me about Yaoi. All the fucking rape (sometimes it's more "not really that consent", still count as rape in my book) and how the fucking fans are all "OOOOH ITS CUTE". No. No.
Not saying Bara is perfect, man, it has his own stereotypes and stupid stuff, but at least it's not that.
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Bluekevlar16 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013

So Bara doesn't have as much rape? Just another reason why it's the superior genre.

Do you know much about yuri? Does it have a lot of rape and pedophilia in it like yaoi? If it doesn't, I don't see how yaoi twats can have the nerve to get offended if someone likes yuri but hates yaoi.

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QueenMarine Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2013
It depends on the author when it comes to Bara and rape; some authors, like Tagame, for example, are fond of rape or rape-like situations, and some aren't
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GingaTokkyu Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
bara doujin pls~ <3

AGREE!! XDDDDDDD
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KoltiraDeathwhisper Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
and there are some really explicit yaois, you just have to find them here are a few:
Boku no ano ko
hakutou noriko
sekaiichi hatsukoi (only the manga, the anime dosent show much)
konbini kun
three wolves mountain
you make my head spin
junjou romantica
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
I'll try to gave them a look (there is a lot of stuff I have to check, people keeps giving me name of Yaoi stuff to try), but I still haven't read any Yaoi that makes me sympathise with any of the characters... All the one I read makes me want to punch them in the face ^^".
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KoltiraDeathwhisper Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
they dont look like girls the uke just has delicate features, which i think are adorable. and as a gay male i think yaoi is way more attractive then bara, bara is so gross like bulging muscles, hair on everything, and oversized penises arent attractive... they're quite gross, and the drawing kind of sucks. actually some couples do fit the uke/seme "stereotype" so i dont think its that unrealistic to depict gay relationships as such.
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Bluekevlar16 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013

"actually some couples do fit the uke/seme 'stereotype'"

 

O RLY? You're sure you're not talking about a work of fiction, because I've yet to see any real life STRAIGHT couple act like that unless they're on the News about the woman/girl that was murdered by her husband/boyfriend.

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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
Well I'm a gay guy as well. How is that an argument again?
Anyway, BOTH Yaoi and Bara are unrealistic. I only like Bara because the men actually looks like men in it. It's porn. Porn is, most of the time, unrealistic, bro ^^".
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Raylorn Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Student General Artist
You obviously haven't seen this then..
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And that image is from the Yaoi game called Kichiku Megane. The second link is a manga.
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Bluekevlar16 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
They still look rather slim and soft to me though. But at least they're better than at least like 80% of yaoi.
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
You're right, I've never seen this. They're not what I would call manly, though, they still look way too "soft" for me to be interested, but their design looks better that what I saw before ;)
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TheViciousViper Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Not into guys, but bara dudes are pretty damn hot. uwu
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Neutral-Demon Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
I always found all those yaoi-thing and girly "guys" is shitty... and i am not ashamed to say it=D
Hardcore is always true.
I can't like or love women with dicks...
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GreenTeaZombie Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I don't mind manly looking guys--but no facial hair. I don't even like facial hair IRL. Also, I'd like to clarify that, contrary to popular beleif, only some of them have really girly looking guys. On one hand, i've even read a yaoi where I genuinly thought the Uke was a girl he was so feminine looking, so i'm not saying there aren't any out there; in fact there are plenty, which is probably what gave you that impression. But, on the other hand I also ave read/watched yaoi where both guys looked like guys, not girly or really manly, just two normal guys. Sorry for the long post, and i'm sure you've heard the 'they're not ALL the same' argument before, but I just felt the need to type this. ... bye.
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
That's not such a long post, and thanks you for sharing your opinion ;)
I'd like to see what kind of character you had in mind, because I honnestly never seen any yaoi character that looked like a male. To be honnest, only a very few of anime character looks like male to me...

And about facial hair... I understand your point of view. When I was younger, I really wasn't liking it, but now... I really love some hair on my dudes :P
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GreenTeaZombie Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Thank you for not raging on me like I know some other people on the internet would have. Since you asked, here are some examples of ones with normal looking characters (most are from manga, btw):
Seven days,
Saburina,
Running on Empty (more of a shounen ai though),
May I Tell You,
Kiss in Darkness,
Sekaiichi Hatsukoi,
Kimi to Date,
Bukiyo na Silent,
Kiraboshi dial,
Kokoro Kikai,
etc., this was all I could think of at the moment. Yeah, I read a lot of yaoi -////-. In the end it all kinda depends on perspective, doesn't it? I mean, bulging muscles and facial hair is obviously masculine, like huge eyes, soft features, and lucious hair is obviously femminine, but everything else is kind of a grey area, huh? It depends on what you consider to be manly or girly. Again sorry for the long-ish post, and Happy Holidays!
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
Thanks for all those examples. I'll check some of them ;)
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GreenTeaZombie Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hey~ So I have a habit of not deleting ANYTHING that has left me with a scary inbox of OVER 9,000(!) (that's a refrence incase you didn't know... i'm not crazy..) and I was going through replies and comments and stuff and was wondering if you've checked out any of them, and if so, did you like any? Not trying to be pushy or anything, I was just curious. Hey, maybe we can fangirl/boy/whatever gender you are over some of them! Well, that's all I really wanted to say, have a fabulous day/noon/afternoon/evening/night, and sorry for the long message.
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013
It's a Dragon Ball Z meme reference, right? :P
Aaaand I'm a boy.

I've checked out a few of the stuff you gave to me, and while I'm not going to call myself a fan, some of them actually seemed way more interesting than all the other yaoi stuff I read before ^^.

( and do no apologize, long messages are awesome! )
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GreenTeaZombie Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yaoi literaly translates into something along the line of 'no plot no story' or something (so I am told), so lots of people think it's, well, basically porn, wich it kind of is, but it DOES have storylines, many of them intresting, as you have commented. I'm glad you thought they were interesting, I think so too. And yes, long messages are awesome! :D
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alexyorim Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd go to bara everytime!
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BaconMagic Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012
Yaoi guys are too fucking girly, bara guys are too fucking burly. I dislike both. XD
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012
I'd choose a burly guy over a girly one any day, but I have to say this is quite true, they all seems to much stereotypical anyway...
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supergal12000 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
hell.... yes *H*
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Ryuuichi-kun Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012
Also, one more thing: anyone expecting a manga to be fully realistic is too dumb to live anyways
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I've read a few manga that have realistic characters (I'm not talking about the story or the plot here, just the fact that the characters looked like real human being, and no really boring and whinny things). Also, there is a lot of realistic manga. That's maybe not the style you're used to, since Shonen and this kind of thing seems to be the most popular kind of manga, but there is a lot of other genre. And they can be really cool as well.
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Ryuuichi-kun Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I've read manga with realistic drawing styles too, but in depiction of relationships, i've yet to see a manga that is full accurate. Not to mention relationships differ hugely. there are people that actually almost perfectly fit the seme/uke stereotypes too.

I've read a great variation of manga, anything from shounen, shoujo,seinen, and adult oriented stories, and while i personally dont really like a really realistic artstyle, i've read some of those too. But a manga is still a work of fiction, and thus will never be a full depiction of reality
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I agree. I'm not really into most of shonen, while I'll always like Dragon Ball Z, which is something I don't usually like (let's admit it, the character's personnalities are not so great, and the story is kinda repeptitive), but you know, that's the first anime series I've ever watched, that something from my childhood, how can I not like it? x3
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Ryuuichi-kun Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012
I dunno, i'm a (bisexual) guy, i don't like Bara. The simple reason is that all or at least most by far bara characters are totally buffed up, and i think a slim build is far more attractive, but thats my personal preference. To each his own, no point in hating

Also while there is tons and tons of crappy, stereotypical yaoi out there, its worth noting that not all yaoi follows stereotypes like dominant seme - wimpy/girly Uke. I'm not a fan of those stereotypes either, but there is plenty of yaoi if you look past the stereotypical crap that breaks with these cliches.

Also the whole 'insulting to real homosexuals' thing... geez get a sense of humour. You can't be insulted by every little thing or you'll just spend the rest of your life being insulted over small stuff. also not all males are insulted by it either. I've seen guys throwing 'no real gay likes yaoi, its only crazy fangirls' crap around. I'm a bisexual guy leaning more toward guys, and I dont like wimps one bit, yet I really enjoy a good yaoi/shounen-ai story.

And finally, giving someone bullshit for what there preference in guys or whatever is utter bollocks anyways. No reason to hate, lets all just get along. no one is forcing anyone to read it.
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I guess that's all about personal preference, yeah, I personally like a buffed guy more than a slim one ^^.

I would really like to read one of those "non stereotypical yaoi", but I just can't find any, would you have any title for me?

Of course I'm not forced to read it, but I like to argue and discuss with people who have different opinion, and making this kind of stamp bring a lot of people ready to discuss here, so I'm more than happy ^^.
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Ryuuichi-kun Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
Hmm In terms of shounen ai mostly, (soft, more romantic yaoi), id say maybe try stuff like Daisuki Daisuke, or Bokurani Matsuwaru Etc. Personally i liked Faraway a lot too, but those are just a couple of short stories i liked because i could somewhat identify with them

then there's also just manga who still have seme/uke stuff, but play with the cliches and how its done. cant really remember any titles of those, maybe Honto Yajuu a little.

But yeah, its mainly personal preference, i prefer slimmer built guys around my age, and kinda dislike a buffed up built... so yeah.

Cheers!
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I'll gave a look to that. Thanks you ;)
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AnyaBlood1632 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2012
Yaoi written by gay men is still yaoi. You can put any name on it you want but it doesn't change the genre. I agree that the girly men who act as codependent as they possibly can get annoying. They're essentially a stereotypically weak and pathetic woman with a penis. Though in all reality there are men like that. Maybe it's overused to where nearly every male character in a yaoi seems to be the same. But you can't say it's unrealistic because of a reoccurring theme. There are men, just as there are women, who are clingy and insecure in their love life. And there are very girly looking scrawny men. I disagree that "yaoi" is unrealistic (though being a straight woman I can't say whether the sex scenes are realistic or not).
I've never heard the term "bara" and I'm curious as to where it originated from if you'd enlighten me. As far as I know it's a host club in which the men dress as women. And it means rose.
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Nacht-Vico Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012
Bara isn't Yaoi. It's not the fact that it's written by gay men who change the genre, some gay men probably write Yaoi as well. Bara is kinda the "opposite" of Yaoi, it have really manly men, very muscular and fat, with a lot of hair...

Of course, there is girly men in real life, I just think they are really not attactive... To each their own, I guess ^^".
Sex scenes aren't realistic, really. They are doing it every five seconds (well, not really, but you get what I mean XD), without any lubricant or condom (not every couple use it, but it is advisable), the one "taking in" is always the same (that Uke/Seme logic doesn't work in most couple). And please, those relationship! Even when you take away sex (because anyway, it's never really realistic), the characters are so blank, it just makes me want to watch a show about cockroaches instead. No one can be THAT superficial in a relationship. It's just about freakin physic. Sure, some people are like that in real life, but reading a comic about it isn't interesting.
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